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		<title>By: Happy 3rd Birthday Radical Doula: Fun facts &#171; Radical Doula</title>
		<link>http://radicaldoula.com/2008/03/04/bad-press-for-doulas-from-the-ny-times/#comment-7303</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Happy 3rd Birthday Radical Doula: Fun facts &#171; Radical Doula]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 15:02:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] busiest day was Wednesday March 5, 2008, after I posted this piece responding to a doula bashing article in the NY [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: +or-Epi</title>
		<link>http://radicaldoula.com/2008/03/04/bad-press-for-doulas-from-the-ny-times/#comment-7291</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 23:36:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pam, I can understand the distaste you hold for more militant Natural Childbirth advocates, fundamentalism in any form is counterproductive and women have the right to make the choice for themselves.  However, there are two sides to every story, and the majority of women only know one side and choose accordingly.  You might want to look at the real numbers and statistics, such the proportion of women who go into medicated/induced labors and end up having C-sections, serious complications, post-partum depression and neo-natal problems and compared to the rate of these issues in women who choose and manage to have natural labor. 
The cause and effect pattern is pretty clear when you look at the studies and this is why many doulas have a hard time allowing the mother to increase her risk significantly of a negative outcome.  

That being said, the job of the doula is to respect the wishes of the mother and to try and make the labor and delivery as positive an experience as made possible by the circumstances.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pam, I can understand the distaste you hold for more militant Natural Childbirth advocates, fundamentalism in any form is counterproductive and women have the right to make the choice for themselves.  However, there are two sides to every story, and the majority of women only know one side and choose accordingly.  You might want to look at the real numbers and statistics, such the proportion of women who go into medicated/induced labors and end up having C-sections, serious complications, post-partum depression and neo-natal problems and compared to the rate of these issues in women who choose and manage to have natural labor.<br />
The cause and effect pattern is pretty clear when you look at the studies and this is why many doulas have a hard time allowing the mother to increase her risk significantly of a negative outcome.  </p>
<p>That being said, the job of the doula is to respect the wishes of the mother and to try and make the labor and delivery as positive an experience as made possible by the circumstances.</p>
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		<title>By: Pam</title>
		<link>http://radicaldoula.com/2008/03/04/bad-press-for-doulas-from-the-ny-times/#comment-6547</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pam]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 19:12:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am utterly shocked at the responses here. I could post a lengthy reply here, but I won&#039;t. Just know this -- most women enter the hospital knowing exactly what they want. Women aren&#039;t stupid.  I knew that I wanted IV fluids, as well as phenergan and an epidural. I was asked during my births in 2003 and 2008 (at two different hospitals, 200 miles apart) if that was what I really wanted, if I wanted to wait.  

Just because birth can be non-medicated doesn&#039;t mean that it has to be. I wanted a medicated birth. And, should I get pregnant again, I will be asking for the epidural to be on tap when I waddle through the hospital doors. That does not make me less of a woman than someone who chooses a more painful path. It does not make the miracle of the birth of my children any less miraculous than one born at home or to a granola mom.

That is the issue here -- not where or how one delivers. The issue is that members of what I call the Nature Nazi movement have a bad habit of looking down their noses at women who choose a different path to deliver their children. I have been around many, many medical professionals and many, many nature nazis. And the nazis are the ones with chips on their shoulders, giving out false information, and using scare tactics to get birth out of a hospital setting. For that reason, I side with the medical professionals. And, in my opinion, the dark side of this doula hype is pretty much hidden under the molly-sunshine image that is touted by pregnancy magazines and books. Kudos to the NY Times for printing this story.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am utterly shocked at the responses here. I could post a lengthy reply here, but I won&#8217;t. Just know this &#8212; most women enter the hospital knowing exactly what they want. Women aren&#8217;t stupid.  I knew that I wanted IV fluids, as well as phenergan and an epidural. I was asked during my births in 2003 and 2008 (at two different hospitals, 200 miles apart) if that was what I really wanted, if I wanted to wait.  </p>
<p>Just because birth can be non-medicated doesn&#8217;t mean that it has to be. I wanted a medicated birth. And, should I get pregnant again, I will be asking for the epidural to be on tap when I waddle through the hospital doors. That does not make me less of a woman than someone who chooses a more painful path. It does not make the miracle of the birth of my children any less miraculous than one born at home or to a granola mom.</p>
<p>That is the issue here &#8212; not where or how one delivers. The issue is that members of what I call the Nature Nazi movement have a bad habit of looking down their noses at women who choose a different path to deliver their children. I have been around many, many medical professionals and many, many nature nazis. And the nazis are the ones with chips on their shoulders, giving out false information, and using scare tactics to get birth out of a hospital setting. For that reason, I side with the medical professionals. And, in my opinion, the dark side of this doula hype is pretty much hidden under the molly-sunshine image that is touted by pregnancy magazines and books. Kudos to the NY Times for printing this story.</p>
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		<title>By: Jenny</title>
		<link>http://radicaldoula.com/2008/03/04/bad-press-for-doulas-from-the-ny-times/#comment-5298</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jenny]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 19:37:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew C</title>
		<link>http://radicaldoula.com/2008/03/04/bad-press-for-doulas-from-the-ny-times/#comment-5291</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrew C]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 22:55:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Arielle:

To clarify my comment, by &quot;well-behaved&quot;, I mean following the standard norms for public behavior. I do not mean disagreeing with the doctor. I mean yelling, throwing things, not moving out of the way when requested, physically interfering with the doctor (excluding when the doctor is clearly violating the mother&#039;s stated wishes), etc. The majority of doctors wish no one other than the partner (and sometimes the parter too) were in the room. Every extra person makes things more crowded, complicated, and stressful.

I do NOT think this is the way the typical doula acts. However, plenty of other people do, and it&#039;s one reason doctors are wary of letting any extra people in.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Arielle:</p>
<p>To clarify my comment, by &#8220;well-behaved&#8221;, I mean following the standard norms for public behavior. I do not mean disagreeing with the doctor. I mean yelling, throwing things, not moving out of the way when requested, physically interfering with the doctor (excluding when the doctor is clearly violating the mother&#8217;s stated wishes), etc. The majority of doctors wish no one other than the partner (and sometimes the parter too) were in the room. Every extra person makes things more crowded, complicated, and stressful.</p>
<p>I do NOT think this is the way the typical doula acts. However, plenty of other people do, and it&#8217;s one reason doctors are wary of letting any extra people in.</p>
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		<title>By: A birth story to brighten up your friday &#171; Radical Doula</title>
		<link>http://radicaldoula.com/2008/03/04/bad-press-for-doulas-from-the-ny-times/#comment-5287</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[A birth story to brighten up your friday &#171; Radical Doula]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 20:30:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] is quite amazing timing considering the doula article from Sunday&#8217;s NYTimes. It shows that yes, there are some doulas out there who allow their personal beliefs about [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] is quite amazing timing considering the doula article from Sunday&#8217;s NYTimes. It shows that yes, there are some doulas out there who allow their personal beliefs about [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ruth</title>
		<link>http://radicaldoula.com/2008/03/04/bad-press-for-doulas-from-the-ny-times/#comment-5285</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ruth]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 12:55:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Until OB&#039;s stop slicing and medicating women who are perfectly capabale of natural birth this conflict is going to continue if not get worse. Some alternatives are needed. It is a problem to have so many attendees at birth with different levels of skills and opinions - the women will suffer even more in the end. We need places of natural birth for women who want it - and OB&#039;s and hospitals for women who want and need that. Until there are  alternatives women will keep having to go to the hospital with all the attendees they need to fight the system ie: have nature present in a clinical enviroment surrounded by surgeons. How can this work ?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Until OB&#8217;s stop slicing and medicating women who are perfectly capabale of natural birth this conflict is going to continue if not get worse. Some alternatives are needed. It is a problem to have so many attendees at birth with different levels of skills and opinions &#8211; the women will suffer even more in the end. We need places of natural birth for women who want it &#8211; and OB&#8217;s and hospitals for women who want and need that. Until there are  alternatives women will keep having to go to the hospital with all the attendees they need to fight the system ie: have nature present in a clinical enviroment surrounded by surgeons. How can this work ?</p>
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		<title>By: Ruth</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ruth]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 12:54:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Until OB&#039;s stop slicing up and medicating women who are perfectly capabale of natural birth this conflice is going to continue if not get worse. Some alternatives are needed. It is a problem to have so many attendees at birth with different levels of skills and opinions - the women will suffer even more in the end. We need places of natural birth for women who want it - and OB&#039;s and hospitals for women who want and need that. Until there are  alternatives women will keep having to go to the hospital with all the attendees they need to fight the system ie: have nature present in a clinical enviroment surrounded by surgeons. How can this work ?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Until OB&#8217;s stop slicing up and medicating women who are perfectly capabale of natural birth this conflice is going to continue if not get worse. Some alternatives are needed. It is a problem to have so many attendees at birth with different levels of skills and opinions &#8211; the women will suffer even more in the end. We need places of natural birth for women who want it &#8211; and OB&#8217;s and hospitals for women who want and need that. Until there are  alternatives women will keep having to go to the hospital with all the attendees they need to fight the system ie: have nature present in a clinical enviroment surrounded by surgeons. How can this work ?</p>
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		<title>By: radicaldoula</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[radicaldoula]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 19:11:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks Zippy. I haven&#039;t written anything beyond the blogosphere. Truthfully I&#039;m a little intimidated by the NYTimes and wouldn&#039;t know where to start. But rest assured there are a lot of people writing responses from the doula/birth activist world.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Zippy. I haven&#8217;t written anything beyond the blogosphere. Truthfully I&#8217;m a little intimidated by the NYTimes and wouldn&#8217;t know where to start. But rest assured there are a lot of people writing responses from the doula/birth activist world.</p>
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		<title>By: Zippy in NC</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zippy in NC]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 17:51:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Right on, Miriam!  I was horrified at this article -- it was not just frustrating to read as a women&#039;s health advocate, it was also incredibly bad journalism.  Have you written a response?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right on, Miriam!  I was horrified at this article &#8212; it was not just frustrating to read as a women&#8217;s health advocate, it was also incredibly bad journalism.  Have you written a response?</p>
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